THE TRUTH

Alhumdulilah Rani that a beautiful post and an interesting read. I had seen some of the images before, but not all of them. The truth of Allah (swt) is everywhere, Subhanallah. May Allah reward you for this. Ameen

wow, ths is reali intersting. i also had seen an herd of sum of these, bt nt all.

Wow 99, it's obvious that you painstakingly researched ur subject!

Your end result is beautifully done and ur faith is inspirational.

hey guys

i am not muslim but i believe all gods are really ONE

Rani – this is very interesting material!

Your research is amazing Rani. There is really so much there that we turn a blind eye to, there is God's miracle in everybreath we take but we don't realise it.

It's interesting to see Faith and Facts going hand in hand- however, my personal opinion differs. Faith needs no facts.

ranz hun, I havent been thru everything yet, but from what I have seen, its beautiful,

thought provoking and sums I truly needed to see at this time…

sooooo me wanna say thanks for keeping me on my toes ….

lotza lurve…..*hugz**

alie

*high five* Rani ji. Subhana'Allah. Islam continues to amaze me..
There is no power and might except from the Almighty. Allahu Akbar

~Khushi~:

Your research is amazing Rani. There is really so much there that we turn a blind eye to, there is God's miracle in everybreath we take but we don't realise it.

It's interesting to see Faith and Facts going hand in hand- however, my personal opinion differs. Faith needs no facts.

Hmm cudnt have said this better Kush…

TAKBEER!!!!!!!

ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

Oh and Rani…you know theres a picture of moon split.

you should have put that in there too..

Rani i have never took time to look at this treat untill now. Wow this is amazing its true when they say signs are everywhere and god is everything in you case Allah is everything.

You really posted something amazing wonderfull work my compliments to you on your work and to your parents for having a doughter like you.

Marine:

You really posted something amazing wonderful work my compliments to you on your work and to your parents for having a doughter like you.

agree with you marine … definitely compliments to rani's parents for having a little schweetoo like her !

bump

I swear I never meant to let it die.

I love this thread it should be pinned.

THis thread is awesome. indeed. Rani is awesomer =D

…Haylie is awesomerer

…I'm meh =/

there;s awesome; awesomer; and awesomest

we cant both be awesomer

i don't know if you noticed but i added another 'er' to your awesomer =p

Yemenilicious:

i don't know if you noticed but i added another 'er' to your awesomer =p

oh i didnt…bad eyes!

…wait that cant be right, i cahnged my glasses…

eh…

well..im awesomerer, sounds like a retard.

Haylie(hayati):

Yemenilicious:

i don't know if you noticed but i added another 'er' to your awesomer =p

oh i didnt…bad eyes!

…wait that cant be right, i cahnged my glasses…

eh…

well..im awesomerer, sounds like a retard.

LOL yeah you're awesomerer…

you're corrupting my study time!

I need to study for the flippin' S A to the T

Then go study for the S A to the T to the U. they need to add a U there. to stand some cool word like. Unique. THE USAT! YEAH! OR HECK, UNITED V STAND.

okay ill go finish hw =)

Yemenilicious:

Then go study for the S A to the T to the U. they need to add a U there. to stand some cool word like. Unique. THE USAT! YEAH! OR HECK, UNITED V STAND.

okay ill go finish hw =)

lol

wt…

LOL =]

hey you twoo me see ya'll having fun here hmmp oh yeah BWL is there when yah need to be

tottally distracted from doin yr hw hehe but BWL is definitely needed!

ooof SAT! ARGH to that CRAP I think that test is so STUPID you know why??? B/c it seems as

though they are TESTINg how FAST you can do stuff and not if you can actually DO IT

aint dat dumb????

neway good luck on dat for both of ya'll & ranzzzz if you have to study for it

Allahu Akbar!

hmm Ranz interesting

Praise the lord!

(All of them are ONE – to my belief)

Kavz hun, Totally agree with you !

Just reminded me of this bit from a song from the film 'Bombay'

Kal ka kyon sochein bhala hum
Aao aaj mein hi chalo jeelein zara hum
Upar waala jab ek hai sabka
Ek hoke phir ye gaale zara hum

Gulla gulla hulla gulla
Gulla gulla hulla gulla
Jeena uska jeena jo jeene bhi de
Aayein hain duniya mein to iska maza bhi lele
Jeena uska jeena jo jeene bhi de
Aayein hain duniya mein to iska maza bhi lele
Deewano dilon mein to aao hum bhi rahein
Apne khuda ko chalo pyaar se hum tum manaayein

OMG the pic of the lungs! this is what u were telling about yday na rani? WOW!! Alhumdulilah, Allahu Akbar.

ALLAHU AKBAR! I KNOW!!

RaNi iS ThE BeS:

Kavita – I also believe there is only one God, but I call my God Allah, nothing else.

Ranz – awesome answer – no problem Allah is your God – he is the [form of Lord in which you believe in!]
I honestly believe that different religions…really all the Gods are just ONE God – just as my religion [hinduism] having many forms
of the lord – its just ONE of them in separate places and times. Just as there is many interesting unbelievable things/clues about islam; there are unbelievable things from other religion like christianity and hinduism , etc.
To my belief all of them exist all of them are ONE.

Why should there be wars about religions when we are all worshipping
the being we call GOD the being we bow to and pray to ? Why should we shed blood over a different believe that is SO MUCH ALIKE?Why? THe lord need to make the earth righteous – bless us with your righteousness dear lord! And cast away all EVILS!

I have a question : Can a hindu be allowed [by the mosque] to go in the MOSQUE?

Yes, a hindu is allowed to enter the mosque.

Your belief that all Gods are one…I get kind of confused. So when you pray, your praying to all the Gods?! ALL OF THEM?
Interesting…

Ohh hindus are allowed to enter a mosque – that is nice to hear – some day soon i want to go into a mosque
to see how they pray, etc. just some one told me that they think mosque wouldnt let hindu in , so i was like..in my mind, how would the mosque know i am hindu anyway? they wouldnt…but just wanted to do what was rite lol
have gone into christian church many times when i was younger! wanted also to check out sikh temple sumday

i know any any any any person of diff religion can come in mandir the lord will open arms to them afterall if human, demon, or beast worship him He will accept the offering

yumin, no i dont pray to ALL of the gods no ; I am hindu – a Born hindu
I pray to hindu Lord. But I am just saying – I can accept any other religion just because I believe all the GODS are really ONE. I am hindu but I am just saying that when it comes to other religions its okay.

Seriously … if all the Gods DO exist and they are all IN HEAVEN right at this moment – what difference would they have amongst each other?!

hmmm…very interesting

okay im sorry if im offending anyone here coz i kinda feel that i am..

but in a way im kinda …not.. its not like im talking negative about anyone's religion right…

No, you're not offending anyone ji. it's just your beliefs

naw in a way i feel as though … cud i be offending myself…lol

alright im HINDU & my prayers of course would enter into the abode of lord Krishna Lord Rama

i m just saying… other religions are also okay and people should NOT fight over an innocent similar belief

For whom the Bell Tolls
John Donne

From “Devotions upon Emergent Occasions” (1623), XVII: Nunc Lento Sonitu Dicunt, Morieris – “Now, this bell tolling softly for another, says to me: Thou must die.”

PERCHANCE he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that.
The church is Catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all.
When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrafted into that body whereof I am a member.
And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice; but God's hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another.
As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness.
There was a contention as far as a suit (in which both piety and dignity, religion and estimation, were mingled), which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first in the morning; and it was determined, that they should ring first that rose earliest.
If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his, whose indeed it is.
The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that this occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God.
Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world? No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours.
Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it.
No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction.
If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current money, his treasure will not defray him as he travels.
Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it.
Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels, as gold in a mine, and be of no use to him; but this bell, that tells me of his affliction, digs out and applies that gold to me: if by this consideration of another's danger I take mine own into contemplation, and so secure myself, by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security.

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Yemenilicious:

Yes, a hindu is allowed to enter the mosque.

Your belief that all Gods are one…I get kind of confused. So when you pray, your praying to all the Gods?! ALL OF THEM?
Interesting…

Im curious to know. Is it significant to address to Whom you pray to? Praying to 'one' or 'several' shouldnt make a difference to actual value, quality, reality and purity of the prayer should it? Just a thought… What is a prayer?

~Khushi~:

Yemenilicious:

Yes, a hindu is allowed to enter the mosque.

Your belief that all Gods are one…I get kind of confused. So when you pray, your praying to all the Gods?! ALL OF THEM?
Interesting…

Im curious to know. Is it significant to address to Whom you pray to? Praying to 'one' or 'several' shouldnt make a difference to actual value, quality, reality and purity of the prayer should it? Just a thought… What is a prayer?

“What's in a number? That which we call a prayer by any other number would be as divine”, huh?

Dear Rani,

Thank you.

A genuine “thank you” for all the time and effort you’ve put into producing this thread, the proof. It was interesting going through it all.

I know this is such a short reply, in comparison to all you’ve done, but I would like to be honest with you… I don’t know whether you expect me to respond to everything in detail or not… I feel a little bad for not responding in a little more detail, but I would like to keep my thoughts and ideas to myself at this stage… what you have done is so beautiful and commendable, that I do not really want to further this discussion any more, other than to just say “thank you”.

That doesn’t mean to say I don’t appreciate all the work you’ve done in getting the material sorted for this thread, or that it was not an interesting insight for me…

Goodness, I hope I am making some sense… it seems so clear in my head, and yet I can’t seem to type it out…

Just…

Thank you, Rani.

I love you……………………….x

Rani – I don't think I WILL post up any thoughts regarding your proof… in any case, most of my thoughts lead to a blank in my mind… like a “I need to think about this some more” kind of blank… 🙂

As for what Khushi said – there seems to be more of an interest in getting a 'spiritual' connection with God than a 'religious' connection – if you guys get what I mean? Not everywhere, not all the time, but more and more people seem to be going down this route? What do you guys think? What is it like where you live/in the community you are in?

Like, some people say “I don't have a religion, but I do believe there is a God within me, in my mind and soul. That is my God.”…

I am curious to know what you guys think – feedback please?

OK… here is my perception of it… it may be wrong, but this was how I understood the text… I found some parts a little too difficult to understand.

PERCHANCE he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that.
The church is Catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all.

In the olden days, when the bell tolled, it was to announce a death… or nearing a death, or something… Donne is saying, “Maybe the guy for whom this bell tolls is so ill, he doesn’t realise the bell is tolling for him, and signalling his death. And maybe I think I am feeling better than I actually am, and those who have seen me know actually how ill I am, and have made the bell toll for me (i.e. signalling my death), and I don’t know that. The church is Catholic, universal, and so are all the church’s actions… everything the church does ‘belongs’ to everyone.”

When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrafted into that body whereof I am a member.

“When the church baptizes a child, that action concerns me too, because that child who is being baptized, I am also a part of – connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrated into that body whereof I am a member”

And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice;

“And when the church buries a man, that action concerns me too: all mankind is the same/universal/that sort of meaning… of one author, and is one volume… i.e. there are no different authors, we (mankind) have been penned down by only one person, and there are no different volumes that this author has written, it is only one book… one volume… and when one man dies, it is not as though a chapter of the book has been torn out (relating to earlier metaphor of how all of mankind has been penned down by one author in one volume), but it is instead translated into another language… literally, I perceive it as: when a man dies, he does not just fade out of the equation, but instead has an afterlife of sorts… which is better than the current life on Earth… translated into a better language…”

and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice;

and he says “every chapter must be so translated”, which I perceived as: everyone must die, and go on to this other world, this afterlife (be it heaven, whatever. Whatever your perception of afterlife is, I guess), we must all get “translated” into this better language&

~Khushi~:

Yemenilicious:

Yes, a hindu is allowed to enter the mosque.

Your belief that all Gods are one…I get kind of confused. So when you pray, your praying to all the Gods?! ALL OF THEM?
Interesting…

Im curious to know. Is it significant to address to Whom you pray to? Praying to 'one' or 'several' shouldnt make a difference to actual value, quality, reality and purity of the prayer should it? Just a thought… What is a prayer?

Khushi – hey hon, how are you? I dont know whether I confused yummin when I said what I said but seem like it brought forth some question on yr side. The thing is — of course we have our unique religion – definitely – Our Religion, Our GOD is respected – we use him as the SUBJECT of our prayer. We see HIM in everything. What I was referring to though was the fact that many people have Disagreements because of RELIGION. And we should ALL learn to ACCEPT other RELIGIONS to prevent diagreements and fights [Why would GOD want us to FIGHT over something HOLY? — Clearly, something must be wrong — but here mainly it is shown in the ignorance of some people]

I am not saying everyone should go a round believing in all of the 'exisiting Gods' b/c clearly people dont do this.

Its just a little congruent to my belief that is all. I am hindu and pray / believe in Hindu Gods but going into a Christian church [in fact i grew up in a christian society and studied the bible in school] is not something 'sinful' to me and i shouldnt feel condemned and doomed to sin because i have sat in with another wonderful group of people – who have strong belief in GOD. Same as going to a Mosque – but havent done this as yet, wish to do it soon to learn about these differnt religions.

Yea, some time ago, my friend's aunt cut into an eggplant, and inside she found inscribed 'Allahu”. See, Allah's miracles are everywhere. Religion is not based on facts, but rather on faith and belief.

I don't see how this thread was SO off topic? We were discussing religion and I still see Kavita discussing it with your comment . Why do you think it was off topic? Infact, this thread was made because of a discussion had earlier on in the forum which I assume you are not aware of. So regular members knew why Rani had created this thread and with what purpose. I don't think we went off topic so much so that the thread need closing. And plus, this is in the Say Something thread. So…..?

Exactly! and there has been no rule before for us to stay on the topic, because its just what we do, we twist it this way and that, and eventually someone talks about what the thread was originally about… anyway even if we did go off topic I don't think its such a big problem is it? its what people in a forum do..

Hahaha ya'all crack me up. Have a nice day!

-Ash

The only reason why we went off topic was because of the thread being locked.. Neway, lets leave it here. We are not here to discuss actions or why the thread was decided to be locked, for whatever reason.

Lets try and keep this thread from further disruptions, as it was an intellectually stimulating thread before all of this anyway.

Peace unto all

THE thread wasnt even Off topic!

[Sometimes the power of a few members feeling strongly about the forum they love amazes me.

It really does. Trust us to kick up a fuss… LOL.

🙂]

boo:

[Sometimes the power of a few members feeling strongly about the forum they love amazes me.

It really does.

🙂]

RaNi iS ThE BeS:

I have somehting so cool to show you guys! I'm so excited! Inshallah, I'll post it up as soon as I can.

It's a bit long, tho…but very much WORTH the read.

Hurry up and post it, lazy bum

I love you!

well wud ya post it let us read it already

I am of de patient…

take jur time hunnz.

Salaam hunz,

Is this website information taken from the book that is shown on the website? I have that book, I just haven't got round to reading it! I got it at a uni freshers fayre when I first started. Insha'Allah will read it soon! x

Ranz will read this later

Tabzyyy heyyyyyyy you hawtie you!! whats uppp? hope all is goin grrrrrreat!

lol i was impatient coz i wanted to seeeeeeee it att hat timeeeeeeee

but will read this later

hehe

sure its good stuff!

lol, kavita, ur funny.

Rani, you shud definitely watch this one video.
it's called “The Purpose of Life” by Khalid Yasin (pimpest of the pimps)
it's his all time famous lecture because afterwards, 22 ppl embraced islam right then and there.
masha'Allah. haylie and I watched it together a while back. it's amazing how he gets his points across…genius!

in fact, i'll post the link here. It's kinda long, so whenever you get the chance, sit down and watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1261386381879128096&q=purpose+of+life%2C+khalid+yasin&total=27&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Why Islam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Clk5lNUdQ

Baba Ali, explaining why he chose Islam. once again, im obsessed with this guy. I LOVE HIM.

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baba alibrought back a lil memory…

werz ranz and taybz??

oooh oooh gotcha

Rani is lost

tayba is most probably busy..i donno

Perhaps if I start searching just after lunch, I may be able to find Rani ji just before dinner. I have a feeling her mother would be so overjoyed to see her daughter (I sure hope so), that I would be asked to stay for dinner. Ninja, sounds like a plan, right? Whew! Now, where was Rani ji last seen? More importantly, was she carrying any lethal weapons?

ooooooook, lets leave other talk outside this thread….

Rani…did you listen to the rest of that joint?

'…ooooooook, lets leave other talk outside this thread'

Done.

lol i knwo i was wondering what happened to Rani.

I know she comes and reads the treats but she said last time she gets busy to asnwer so she just checks and goes hehehe

Maybe Rani is still caught up in the fun from her party

hmmm okay

she's not actually…she's busy with stuff going on currently.

Raniiii I love you oh oh oh

“whoever determines the truth from people alone,
will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.
Rather, know the truth and you will know it's people…”

“whoever determines the truth from people alone,
will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment.
Rather, know the truth and you will know it's people…”

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

So, Rani, the lectures are different?

Miss Hayati haylie baylie bobblehead is gonna burn it for me *gets excited* I CAN'T WAIT

Surah Al-Mu'minun, Ayah # 62: On no soul do We (ALLAH S.W.T) place a burden greater than it can bear: before Us (ALLAH S.W.T) is a record which clearly shows the truth: they will never be wronged.

-there you go beautiful Rani. Sorry, I can't call.

Today it was brought to my attention that some muslim men are allowed and feels that its mandatory to have more than 1 wife.

I just wanted to ask about this? How can this define what love and devotion is , and is it true?

Thanks girls.

yup its true hun

sad but true….

again with this topic =P. well Kavita, yes, Islam allows 4 wives. However, a man is not allowed to get married to another wife if he knows that he won't be able to treat them both the same way…and be fair. It's not mandatory to have more than one wife, whoever told you that is on some kind of crack. lmao! i need to shut up with that. Anyways, MEN ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE 4 FIVES WIVES GIVEN THAT THEY ARE TO BE FAIR.

I promise to be fair! Now, gimme a twenty. Lmao ('MEN ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE 4 FIVES…) Uh-huh I know what you meant and nuh-huh I am not afraid of your roti-roller. You begining to twitch now? Im gonna stop. Lol.

Seriously now, one woman is more than enough for a man. Why would anyone want to marry four?

ROFLMBO!!! what a typo =D

well, there are various reasons why one would want to marry more than 1 wife…not necessarily 4. LOL if i were a man…knowing how crazy women are…i'd be happy with one…seriously! but yeah, polygyny … we talked about this before in the 'A thought' “RANIII” thread. I really really loved the discussions we had man…sighh, where's Am Rani?

I am drawn to the the first three patriarchal narratives of the book of Genesis in the Holy Bible. My favorite among the stories of Abraham (Sarah, Hagar and Keturah), Isaac (Rebekah) and Jacob (Leah, Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpah) is Rebekah. Isaac never felt the need to look to another woman for anything. Rebekah provided for Isaac everything he wanted in a woman and probably so much more. I understand Hagar was Sarah's idea, and Abraham married Keturah after Sarah's death, and disagree with Rabbinic comments that seem to suggest Keturah was Hagar. I also understand that Jacob never intended to marry Leah and only ended up with her because of his father-in-law Laban's treachery, since it was Rachel he wanted. However, he allows himself the luxury of the two concubines Bilhah and Zilphah through an curious twist in the story.

Soon after Isaac married Rebekah, the story says he was 'comforted' because apparently he sorely missed his mother Sarah. I simply love Rebekah. I think she embraces and embodies the role of daughter, sister, wife, mother well, though perhaps not perfectly. I would rather spend life with a person who is 'becoming' rather than with someone who has already 'become.' What would I contribute? I would rather give more into a relationship than sit on my donkey and receive incessantly. I find that its a unique quality- a woman who does not allow her titular responsibilities to encroach upon her role in the family and society. After all, people would rather remember us for how wonderful we were as human beings rather than how professional we were in our areas of expertise. I feel that in God's economy there is no greater compliment afforded a man than that he is a good father, a good husband, a good son, a good brother, and a good friend. I would joyfully die penniless and unheralded as long as I had the love of someone who knows in their heart that they had my unwavering love and undying devotion.

Therefore, I would rather men wait for the 'real' woman who is more meaningful to life than four wives. Mathematically four quarters may make one whole, but frankly four wives do not necessarily make one real woman, one great marriage or one great family. This is exactly why I cannot understand why men rush into marriage.

(I apologize if I have digressed from the leitmotif of this thread)

I respect your opinion Senor

Firstly, theres no need for any apologies. Very well expressed Jalapeno!!I am not familiar with the bible however have been subjected to its teachings through curiosity…there’s this verse, Jeremiah 7 verse 23, which I had learned off during one of my primary school vacations…If u can, please paste that verse here, I am trying to remember the words but fail to do so…thanks in advance…

'Obey me. Do what I say and I will be your God and you will be my people. Live the way I tell you. Do what I command so that your lives will go well.' (The Message)

'Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you.' (New International Version)

'Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.' (King James Version)

i think the idea of men being able to marry 4 has been misinterpreted by one, the very man who marries more than 1 and two, the generalization that people make when they read that muslim men can marry up to 4.

as mentioned by yummmenilicious, the definition of someone who wants to marry more than 1 is that they must ensure that they can be fair to all their wives. and fair is not just about spending equal time with all the wives but also on all the materials that u give. if u buy wife A a house by the lake, then you need to buy wife B, C and D something which is the same or equal to that as well. if you take one on a holiday, then u need to take the other 3 for holiday as well. emotionally and physically u have to be fair to all yr wives..they must get equal treatment from you in every aspect. so, if you think abt it rationally, no men in this world are able to do that. even if its possible, i would think 2 is the max that one can go.

and in those days (the times of our Prophets p.b.u.h), they marry more than 1 bcos there are alot of women and children who lost their husbands and fathers during the war. so marrying them gives these women and children a certain sense of security and hope that they are taken care of by a man. that was the main reason they marry more than 1, not for lustful purposes but to show compassion to other unfortunate women. and some also marry more than 1 bcos their first wife cant bear a child. so instead of divorcing the wife and marry another, they have 2 wives. and in those days it is important for one to have offsprings bcos its a matter of family pride and honour…to continue ones legacy. if you look at that act alone, i think men who does that are more responsible and faithful than one who divorces his wife and finds another, which is what is happening nowdays.

but of course these days nobody does that. these days they marry more than 1 bcos they cant seem to control their testorone level and their fluctuating and unpredictable hormones. so that makes it wrong to marry more than 1 but which not many understands and is used as an excuse to abuse this so called 'quota'.

the problem with people is that one, they dont truly understand what is said in the Quran and two, others make wrong assumptions abt this ruling and is quick to condemned it before looking at the actual reasons on why this ruling was made in the first place.

well said, Oreo!!

Serio ji, your words echo something I read somewhere a long time ago that the Prophet Muhammad had more than four wives, but most of them were wives of fallen comrades. I think that it is a noble act- providing a shelter in every sense of the word to the spouse of a fallen friend. This world is not a safe place for a single-mother, or a widowed woman with children.

Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) had, according to most scholars, 11 wives, and he was the only one given that right. yes, and also, we all must realize that women are outnumbering men, thus at some point, women will not find a husband to marry, so,men will basically have to marry more than one wife.

'we all must realize that women are outnumbering men, thus at some point, women will not find a husband to marry, so, men will basically have to marry more than one wife.'

Well, forget what I said previously, I would like to help out. So, here is my list: Looking for four wives: A supermodel to be seen in public with me; A strong woman with no eating disorders to bear my seven children; A chef to cook for my entire family; A banker or a venture capitalist with proven track record to manage my financial affairs.

Seriously, Ninja, if we go by what you have said, what will happen when there are more men and less women? One woman will end up being the wife of four men? That would be chaotic.

lol!! but (In Islam) women are not allowed to marry than one man

Cosmic, no disrespect to what is stated in the QURAN, to the teachings of Islam, this isn’t a misunderstanding or assumption as such , Your points are noted, understood and respected for what had been ..ie the past, the days our forefathers ruled.However, I am talking about this day and age, and more specifically my personal point of view on the practices of polygamy..in Islam, and in other Religions.This is still being widely practiced for the simple fact that it is stated in the Holy Book??…I still maintain that I cannot and will not uphold or entertain this act. Muslim or not, I will not as a woman be subjected to having my partner share/divide his life, love, heart, mind, body, soul between another woman and I…I simply refuse to believe that a man has this choice, whereas a woman will have to simply uphold whatever comes her way after marriage, in this case, having to share her husband..I would rather die single than endure such torture… If I am to love, honor, respect my soul mate, I expect him to be fiercely committed as well. This is said with no intention to disrespect my fellow Muslims or those who believe in this practice, it is simply my personal stance against such an act. Jalapeno, thank u for the verse… the first ones accurate to my knowledge, why are there different renditions of it ??

There are several versions of the Bible since each version aims at a certain audience and is interpreted accordingly. The King James Version is an older and more lofty version while the New International Version, the English Standard Version, the New Century Version and the New Living Translation are more modern. The most accurate perhaps is the New American Standard Bible and the New Revised Standard Version, which are as close as one can possibly get to the original meaning of the Old Testament (Hebrew and Aramaic) and New Testament (Greek and Aramaic). I personally prefer to read as many versions just to get the feel though I use NASB for devotions.

thank u

I finally got this joint uploaded! I've been trying for dayz. lol. No surprise… slow moments, hokay.

So here it is, not a lecture, but rather a beautiful reminder. What is the purpose of your life?:

part 1:
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/K9-KNIBC/the_purpose_of_life_1/

part 2:
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/UanjruBU/the_purpose_of_life_2/

part 3:
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/rLGztJKW/the_purpose_of_life_3/

part 4:
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/MCmxtroG/the_purpose_of_life_4/

part 5:
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/m7pOiSdg/the_purpose_of_life_5/

part 6 (final part):
http://profile.imeem.com/SQfzyB/music/UExCSS2j/the_purpose_of_life_6/

and this lecture is by:

Shaykh Khalid Yasin, a former Christian, is the Executive Director of the Islamic Teaching Institute (ITI), an organization dedicated to the work of Da'wah. He has studied the Arabic language in Medina, Saudi Arabia and Cairo, Egypt and has had many mentors and teachers who tutored him in Islamic history and the memorization and recitation of the Qur'an.

converted more than five thousand persons to Islam in the past 10 years…

I'm sorry if I seem ignorant, but what exactly is this from?

Rani ji, its a verse from the Holy Bible (Jeremiah 7.23). Alie had asked for it.

hey if any of you tries to listen to the lecture and is asked to log on, if you don't have an imeem account, simply close the window that pops up

Rani- you're welcome hunnz.

Serio- I really really like how you explained it. couldn't have said it better. May Allah reward you indeed. Mashallah

Jeremiah was a prophet who prophesied about the Babylonian Exile to the Israelites in the Old Testament of the Holy Bible. As to the verisons, they exist primarily to serve readers' stylistic and linguistic preferences. Since the Scriptures were written in Hebrew and Greek and a bit of Aramaic here and there, whenever an archeological survey uncovered ancient records that contributed to a better understanding of a certain phrase or provided some hitherto unknown detail about a nation, a community, or a culture, minor adjustments were made to the tranlsation.

As to similarity in translation, you would find the verse almost identical in King James, New King James, New American Bible, English Standard, New Revised Standard. Other versions such as The Message are more paraphrased to make it easy to read. I personally prefer the New American Bible since I believe it is the closest to the original Hebrew and Greek.

wait senor ji..you can follow them all? they're similar? I wanted to ask too, you believe in the Trinity? explain it to us pls?

Rani- i read, and…I see you tomorrow right?

Rani…I saw Appa z for the first time in like a yr. Really made my day, Alhamdulillah. I love the lecture she had today, it was awesome. I'm like reading all about Nabi (S.A.W)'s character now. Subhana'Allah

• Our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was an intelligent man with exemplary character. He shook the foundation of this world with such grace and charisma. He was an illiterate man who led a lost nation into the light of Islam and he inspired everyone he met. Even the Kings from other kingdoms wanted to be like him because he was such a great leader and his followers wouldn’t hesitate in giving their lives for a cause he thought was just. They went to such extents that they would wear, instead of their usual elegant garments, tattered clothes and rags to imitate him, because they couldn’t distinguish who was the leader and who were his followers because they were all dressed in the same manner. They even do so today. There was a non-Muslim author who ranked him as number one as the most influential man in history. This was my Prophet’s character, this was the effect he stamped on every life he touched. This was the greatest man to have ever walked this Earth.

  I imagine this…awwwwwww!:
  -He was also an extremely loving man. When his grandsons would climb on his back while he was in Sajdah, he would leave them up there and stay n Sajdah until they came off.

man that brought tears to my eyes. Reading about our Beloved Prophet S.A.W always makes me teary with awe at such a wonderful person he was. Reading about his Peace Be Upon Him's death made me cry… he did so much for this ummah… makes me feel ashamed at what is happening today.. but even still there is always guidance for us and we're still the greatest ummah. Alhumdulilah .

you see why he's my hero! Salla Allahu A'laihi wasallam.

In contrast to others who have achieved renown for their accomplishments in a limited sphere of activity, Muhammad's achievements span all major areas of life. The historian Michael H. Hart wrote:

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.
(Hart, Michael, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History)

Alhamdulillah, that is so true. Appa Z was telling us yesterday that we are indeed the greatest ummah because we do the work of the prophets, it is our responsibility to spread the truth…Subhan'Allah…

dats sweet, however open mindedly, lets not forget that all religions are the greatest in their own right…respected in their own way and have as much responsibility to spread the truth, love and peace equally…

just generalising…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9H_5K1Mns40&mode=related&search=

a Christian…talking about the Hijab..POSITIVELY! he's really funny.

am very much aware of what u meant and said Ranz

it was just my take on religion

and belief

and responsibility

lol..did i?? oh…confuscious luk

well dats me anyways…hahaha

confusin the hell outa ppl at times

mwah

welkom back:)

I just watched a show here called 'The Muslim Jesus' and it was all about the Islamic perspective on Isaa peace be upon Him. (Jesus). They were talking all about the similarities and differences of how Isaa Peace Be Upon Him is seen in Islam and in Christianity. Subhana'Allah there were some very interesting points in there…. I want to look in to this further.

…yeah Tayba, it's pretty interesting

Rani- that video is very inspiring Mash'Allah.

A description of Jannat (Paradise) by Bilal Assad-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qbq_fxtORFA&mode=related&search=

Very interesting Rani ; Beautiful.

I have a question: How long does Ramadan go for?

Rani- it never lasts 31 days. its 29 or 30 days.

and i got that email too! Subhana'Allah!!!

There is this guy my dad knows…he wants to convert Insha'Allah.

welcomez

Its alright Rani, its was just a question.

So how long more is Ramadan on? About 2 weeks or so?

I wish! there are 5 more days left…perhaps even 4, since it might be 29 days =[

Oh so I see, so then its supposed to finish on Oct. 12th.

Oh wow. I have a question. Waht is Eid? How is it celebrated? And can you eat on Eid?

Heyy no respond

I have another question. I heard Eid is either Friday or Saturday. How can it be an 'either' day? What says if its Eid or not?

in answer to your first question: We celebrate eid 2 times each year. The first time is after Ramadan…celebrating the end of the Holy Month and as a “reward” for fasting. We visit relatives, we have parties, we EAT A LOT =P. haha, everyone celebrates it their own way…but everyone must go to Eid Salaah at the masjid following the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (Muhammad peace be upon him's way of life). And the second time is when Muslims from over the world go to Makkah for pilgrimage.

Second question: the moon determines everything. the moon determines when we begin Ramadan and it determines when Eid is gonna be. Because the Islamic Calendar follows the moon.

Thank you for answering my questions.

Hope Eid goes well for you! and the others.

I guess we just have to wait for the moon to show to determine if Eid will be Friday or Saturday.

thank you! I'm looking forward to it, but I don't want Ramadhan to end!! lol.

*nods* we're waiting!

Its almost over, but you guys did embrace Ramadan.

So when will you know if Eid will be on Friday or SAturday??

HOpe your eid go wellll

love uu ninjaaa and love uu alii diii *hugssssss*

hugggggggggg* hugggggggggggggggggggggggggs*

yeah, it's tomorrow Kavita!

luvya too!

So, Eid is on Friday?

Nice.

What is the day after Eid call? Actually is Eid one day or a few days together?

Enjoy!

JAAANU wer r u ???

di misses her lil angel:(

I came across this beautiful Hadith today :

On the authority of Abu al-'Abbaas Sahl bin Sa'ad as-Saa'idee (radiAllaahu anhu) who said :

A Hasan hadeeth related by Ibn Maajah and others with good chains of authorities.

Explanation of Hadeeth:

And know that whosoever lives in the world lives like a guest, and whatever he holds in his hand is but a loan; the guest will ultimately depart, and the loan will ultimately be returned. And 'Alee (radiAllaahu anhu) said : “The Dunyaa is the land that you see before you – from it eat the pious and the evil ones”, and it is hated by the Awliyaa (Friends) of Allaah and loved by the People of the Dunyaa. So whosoever joins them in their love of it (the Dunyaa) then they too are hated.

And the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) has guided the questioner in this hadeeth to leave the Dunyaa by being abstemious of it, and as a consequence of that has promised for him the Love of Allaah, the Most High – and that is His being Pleased with him, for verily the Love of Allaah for His slaves is His being Pleased with them. And he (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) also guided him towards being abstemious of that which the people possess, if he wishes to obtain the love of the people. And wealth is from love of the Dunyaa, and verily there is nothing that the people possess and they hate one another because of it or compete with one another for it, except the wealth of the Dunyaa.

And he (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said : “Whoever makes the Hereafter his pre-occupation, then Allaah gathers together his affairs, and places freedom from want in his heart, and the Dunyaa comes to him despite being reluctant to do so. And whoever makes the Dunyaa his pre-occupation, then Allaah breaks up his affairs, and places his poverty before his eyes, and nothing of the Dunyaa comes to him except that which has been decreed for him. And the happy one is he who chooses that whose blessings will remain forever over the trial whose punishments shall never cease”.

I love this thread tooooooooo!

I know, isn't that beautiful. May Allah make us of those people. Ameen!

Hi

Islam Promotes Tolerance Not Terrorism

Imam Siraj Wahhaj
a Khutbah given in Sydney, Australia

To my beloved brother and sisters, those standing, those sitting, those in the front, those in the back, those trying to get in, I greet everyone of you with the greeting of peace, Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu.

Brothers and sisters, I pray to Allah, the Almighty that tonight Allah will bless me to articulate what I feel in here (pointing to his heart). I ask Allah to bring what’s in here (heart) so that I may articulate with my tongue and help every one of us. If we are Muslim, a Muslim scholar (‘aalim), haafith Quran (who have memorised the entire Quran), the muttaqeen (those who fear Allah) – I pray to Allah that you will get closer to Allah. I pray to Allah that those Muslims who are weak in faith, some of you barely holding on, some of my sisters struggling to be a good Muslim but weak, some of my brothers struggling to be a good Muslim but weak, I pray to Allah that you will be stronger tonight and will get closer to Allah. Those of you who are not Muslim in the audience, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and even atheists I pray tonight that Allah guides you to His truth.

Tonight I want to talk about you, all of you… and all of us, 1 billion 500 million Muslims around the world. A third of them (500 million Muslims) left Muslim countries, scattered throughout the world. Where are they? They are in America, 9 million Muslims in the United States of America. They are in the United Kingdom. Muslims… in Germany, France, India. Where are they? Four hundred thousand Muslims in Australia. I want to talk about you and our role in this country, in this city of Sydney and in Melbourne and in Perth. Why are we here? One third of the ummah in minority countries. Migration to non-Muslim countries.

Why are you here in Sydney? Why are we in Australia? What are we doing? What do the people think about us? The Australians, the Aborigines, what do they think about us? What goes through their minds when they hear Muslims, when they hear Islam, when they hear Quran, when they hear Sunnah? What do they think about us? Some of you might say “so what!” You don’t care what they think about us! If you are Muslim, you care what people think about you. Because in effect everything, and you better know every time you walk down the street and somebody sees you as a Muslim they are thinking about something. What are they thinking about?

When I was a little boy in school, sometimes I would go home from school and maybe somebody in school laughed at me, made a mockery of me. Like most little children who run home they tell their mother, they tell their father. I'll never forget what my mother told me. She said son, say this: “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never harm me”. You know, sometimes children can be real cruel, they laugh at you because your skin is black, because your skin is white, because you’re a little bit heavy, because you’re skinny, because you have a beard, because you’re young, because you dress differently, because you wear a kufi, because you wear hijab, because you wear long dress, people are cruel. My mother did not have to tell me son don’t worry about that, don’t worry about what people say, words don’t harm, but my mother was wrong. Words do harm you! Sometimes a true word is more harmful. How many of you brothers are not married? Raise your hands. You think words mean anything? If you want to get married and that woman hears a bad word about you and she doesn’t want to marry you because of what she heard, you don’t think words mean anything? You want to get a job and they won’t give you a job because of what they heard about you! You don’t think words don’t mean anything! Words mean something and what people think about you has a tremendous effect on your life!

This is why for a Muslim not only is our property

In that valley, the lover wanders,

And he sees the wandering to be a great attainment.

And O what bashfulness when she smiles.

An excerpt from, “A description of Paradise” from Imam Ibn-Al Qayyam. Translated by: Abdul Rafee’ Adewale Imam. This specific part speaks about the lovers in paradise.

Ninja – thanks for that article… it was an interesting read. 🙂

welcomez =)

A Mistake Worth its Weight in Gold

So ponder how Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala united this pious woman to this pious man.

On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: Allah the
Almighty said:

I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me.
If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and
if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an
assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm’s length, I draw
near to him a fathom’s length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at
speed.

It was related by al-Buhkari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn-Majah).

Imam Nawawi’s 40 Hadith Qudsi

Hey guys! Some of you might know me and some might not. I believe it has been a very long time since I last posted here. Uhmm, perhaps more than a year or ALMOST.

Some people here might know I was born with no religion. Well, my dad is a Hindu and my mum is a Christian. When I was 10, I was told by them to find my own religion but I didn't bother as I always believed, whatever I am, God is within me. But, that was about to change when I broke up with my fiance. So, yeah. I went into a deep depression and I just didn't know what to do with my life. All days long I would spend my time shedding tears and thinking that I just wanted to die. Even my parents didn't know what they could do to help me. I even thought of committing suicide but someone changed my thought and my life…maybe for the rest of my life. I used to visit churches and temples near my house to pray so that I would be stronger in facing coming days but I never went to the mosques. Then, one day, I met this guy at one of the churches. Yes, he was a priest!

Anyway…when I asked him whether Christian is the right religion and if so, why still I didn't get the peace I wanted, the priest questioned me back with several questions which make me find myself and I want to believe God sends him to me to save me.

Here are the questions he asked me…

'You were born with the religion you are now following but why are you following it? Is it because it's the only religion you know
of so much, as it's so close to home? Or did you do research (educate)
into it? And even whilst learning about it, did you question it? Did
you believe in the answers you got were satisfactory? Did they justify
what was being said?'

He told me he won't give me the answers for he doesn't have one but he really wanted me to think of em and he wanted me to come to a conclusion of my own of what I find is the best for me. So then, I decided if I couldn't find the answers within the churches and the temples, I had to look somewhere else and I asked my friend if he could bring me to the masjid. I thought he would refuse for I thought non-Muslims are not allowed in masjid…but he brought me…and slowly, I learned and…I'm still learning. But yeah, I feel much calmer and stronger nowadays for I know what my belief is…what I'm holding on to.

Hi There Waluscha,

i feel so touched hearing ur truth….

InsyAllah u will feel much stronger from time to time….

ur story is a bit like mom…. take care n may Allah bless u. Amin.

This weird person messaged me on fb…and this is how it went ( I think it's a guy, so i'll say 'him'):

him:
Why do you whorship walse prophets like muhammed?

me:
walse? ha. we don't worship Muhammad. we worship his and my creator. get your facts straight. make sure you have the right information before you open your mouth and insult other religions. for no religion teaches hatred against others. 🙂

him:
Religion is war. Your pre history religion which is christianity, vanished my religion in Scandinavia with violence. And now you are coming again with Islam. Don't you think i should be angry at you?

me:
do you really care what I think? because it doesn't seem it ;). However, you're showing that anger anyway, regardless of what I think. So I say, keep your anger to yourself and go do some research to ease that anger. Because it won't benefit you much. knowing that Islam is the fastest growing religion. which definitely proves what YOU THINK wrong.

him:
ok, you say that im showing anger. You're right, christianity killed and tortured all of my fellowers. And when we have almost gotten rid of the plague, some f*cking islamic immigrants comes with a new plague.

me:
What have Muslims done to you? ha. if you look more into the teachings of Islam, you'll discover just how wrong your idea of the religion is. just because SOME confused followers, who apparently know nothing about their religion, go and act like fools doesn't mean that it's what the religion is about. Just be open-minded about it. we're tortured in our own lands each and every day… and we can't do a thing about it. Look at the people in Iraq…and Palestine…we're completely helpless. think about it, it really isn't the religion, it's the people. sadly.

(then he asked me to add him on messenger and I was like “hell no” and he says…:)

him:
oh, so you cant stand for you religion? hehe

me:
i certainly can. I'm actually more than ready to die standing for my religion, thank you very much. I'm just not ready to waste time trying to change what you think, when you're really not willing to change it 😉

him:
“i certainly can. I'm actually more than ready to die standing for my religion,” Thbat i believe, hehe.

me:
doesnt matter if you believe me or not ;). what matters is that I mean it when I say it.

him:
Oh, thats nice. Do you have may followers? I do.

me:
lol, are you kidding me?

him:
Yes i have many followers, i just wish that you could be one of the recruits or whatever

me:
ok, the only conclusion here is that you're confused. And I don't have the power to make things clear for you when you're not willing to think about what I say. so i wont waste anymore time. adios.

weridos

freaky

mental

looney ppppppllll

an u actually entertained his mail???

walu hun

can relate to yr words and wat u have been thru…

I think God might be a little prejudiced.
For once He asked me to join Him on a walk
through this world,

Saint Francis of Assisi . version by Daniel Ladinsky

What a beautiful piece Khushi!

I just came to know about some one who, after agreeing with his wife to leave, went back to his home country to marry a 16 year old girl (I think she's 16 … she's somewhere around that age) and then got her pregnant before leaving her to return back to his current place of living with his other ('initial' wife). This person is Muslim and he's like late 40's or somewhere around there… He has children I believe.

Im not sure… is there anything in the Islamic scriptures that validate such … action? I think we touchedon this topic and you guys said, the scriptures said men can do that ONLY if they can give BOTH wives EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. (and this is 100% IMPOSSIBLE – we all know that! First of all, if you're being shared, how on earth can you give yourself fully to 2 wives?)

So..Im not sure, Im not sure if its apart of some African culture (depending on how he was grown up) or because its something to do with his culture of being a Muslim.

Im not offending anyone here but… this story just makes me want to throw up.

Because seriously, this is sick.

Hey Kavita ji…

According to my own experience with others, I believe that a man is capable of treating his wives equally, I'll tell you why. But before that, I would like to say that I don't think this man you're speaking about is being 'fair' in a sense. Because he isn't appreciating the right of his other wife to know, that is, from what I understand… he didn't tell her. Even though Islam doesn't have it as a condition for any of the wives to know that the husband has decided to go off and get hitched again. However, the teachings and character of Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him teach us to be kind and honest.

Now regarding justice between the wives, a man is fully capable of achieving it if he really does know Islam. He is not asked by Islam to love them both/all equally. Cos, it aint possible! lol. however, he is not to show them this. We're speaking of fairness of making them feel that they all mean the same. So if he gives one a car, he has to give the other a car. If he buys one a necklace, he has to buy the other a necklace. you know? That is exactly why Islam lays the condition of being mentally and financially ABLE. If they're not, then forget getting married again man, they aint qualified!

(Sadly, a lot of Muslim men take that condition as some kind of joke… )

On this same topic, I'd like to add something.

Not all muslim men are like that thought Kavi. I know of someone, he's young 28 years of age. 5 years ago, his wife and college sweetheart, passed away. Now he loved her, I knew them both – family/friends. But 2years ago, another woman came into his life and she loves him incredibly. She knew of his past and everything, but her determination was so ardent – he had to give in to her love. They are a happily married couple now, he seems to smile and be happy a lot more now – and InshAllah, she's expecting a baby soon He still celebrates his and his late wive's anniversary and birthday.

It does make me think though, does he love them both? Or is he being partial? I'm not that close to him to ask him this, but if I ever did, I would love to know. I'm not a Muslim, so I'm not sure of the exact rules… any light shed here?

But I LOVE happy beginnings.

Hey Khushi ..

That same question goes for you too Khushi, and to whoever com

Kavita hun, we've discussed this in depth before.

However, I understand where you're coming from… somewhat. lol. But when I say that the man can't show the wives that he loves one more than the other, it's because he can't control his heart/emotions.. whatever. But he must make them feel that they're both loved equally. You might call it dishonesty, but we consider it as being considerate and knowing that showing what the man cannot control can hurt any of the wives' feelings. And what I said about the car and necklace was just a mere example. It has to be that way with everything.

You ask me if I approve of being a wife or the wife, I answered before, that it really does depend. Knowing the reason Allah Ta'ala has made this permissible, and if my husband does know Islam (Insha'Allah), and is getting married again for the right reasons, I can say now, at this point that I would mind (because it's in our nature, no?), but I wouldn't stop/blame/be angry at him etc. The reason why Allah has allowed Muslim men to get married to more than one woman, if you read statistics, you would know that women are outnumbering men. Women, by nature, are able to fight diseases, illnesses better than men. The number of newborn females is also more than males. So you would expect that years from today… women won't find anyone to marry….

I feel that I'm not making sense. I'm really tired and high…lol

forgive me.

i thought this was discussed and explained before? pay attention next time people!!

many many moon ago, men marry more than 1 not bcos of lust but bcos of responsibility. wifes and kids who lost their husbands and fathers to war or sickness or whatever it is, hv no one to turn to. they got no food to eat, no place to stay and basically are neglected. so came this few good men who took pity on them and took them as their wives. is that a wrong thing to do? i dont think so. cos their aim was not to satisfy their lust but to help these ladies and provide them with food and shelter. so that was the basis of them marrying more than 1.

second reason…some women cant have children. so, in a time where there was no medical breakthru like the stuff we have today, basically they are stuck with having no child forever. and that was the reason they marry more than 1, to have children. not a wrong thing to do cos hey…u need to ensure yr clan lives on (and humankind for that matter). so again, its not a question of not loving the first wife, its a question of wanting to continue yr clan/tribe/family.

theres more reason of course but im not paid to write a book, so 2 is enough for now 🙂

fast forward to the 21st century…and we have men who abused this so called 'privilege' and basically take it as 'i can marry more than 1, no questions asked'. women who are ignorant of the conditions stupidly agrees to the husbands demands and the husband who thinks GOD gave him this power without any restrictions stupidly walk himself into hell.

thats the story morning glory.

So use the second one to have children, but not give her love because presumably you can only love one person at a point in time. So the second wifes feelings don't matter much, shes just a baby making machine?

So use the second one to have children, but not give her love because presumably you can only love one person at a point in time. So the second wifes feelings don't matter much, shes just a baby making machine?

i didnt say u can only love one at a time. men and women…we are different. more so when it comes to feelings. dont hate the player, hate the game 😉

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

even if the wifey is oblivious to the conditions, THEY NEVER EVER agree Oreo. Never. my mom threatens to choke my dad if he ever thinks of getting married again. LOL!

And yeah, men do walk themselves into hell. Why? cos dey stupid! ESTUPIDO!

Who wants to get married again for no reason and then have to deal with all that responsibility and headache! bumfaces!

Are you kidding me?!?!?!

since when u took over boogedy's role? shesssshhhh!! its bad enough theres 1 'teacher' in here who scrutinizes every single word, now u are doing it too?

I usually don't. That one bugged me though.

double triple seriously, coz man, Rani and I seriously have lives…. like forealz

Lmbo, it's true – they do!! <3

Have you guys heard of No Beats Neccesary? Amazing or what?!?! I think I sent you 'How can you deny', ninja. They are soooo good!!!!! <33333

i didnt say u can only love one at a time. men and women…we are different. more so when it comes to feelings. dont hate the player, hate the game 😉

Wahahaa! Oh Oreo, J'ai adore! Lol, Don't hate the player, Hate the game – but that's where you assume love a game. And that's where you go wrong. If issues such as these were a game, I don't think any wise individual would play it And if they did – well – then you risk all so no place for complaints ey? Perspectives perspectives

Hey guys come on…! Rani did start the thread and is adding to it. Ofcourse you'll get queries! There are nicer ways of asking people to read the whole thing. And, no one is obliged to reply to it if they don't want to. No one is losing anything here…! Equal right to question on a public forum

Who am I to forgive Shweetoo, Your “I am sorry” was a forgiving expression itself, because you accepted it. I am so proud of you. I really am.

Many years ago, during the time of the Taabi'een (the generation of Muslims after the Sahabah), Baghdad was a great city of Islam . In fact, it was the capital of the Islamic Empire and because of the great number of scholars who lived there, it was the center of Islamic knowledge. One day, the ruler of Rome at that time sent an envoy to Baghdad with three challenges for the Muslims. When the messenger reached the city, he informed the Khalifah that he had three questions which he challenged the Muslims to answer. The Khalifah gathered together all the scholars of the city and the Roman messenger climbed upon a high platform and said, “I have come with three questions. If you answer them, then I will leave with you a great amount of wealth which I have brought from the king of Rome . As for the questions, they were: 'What was there before Allah?' 'In which direction does Allah face?' 'What is Allah engaged in at this moment?'”

The great assembly of people were silent. (Can you think of answers to these questions?) In the midst of these brilliant scholars and students of Islam, there was a man looking on with his young son. “O my dear father! I will answer him and silence him!” said the youth.

So the boy sought the permission of the Khalifah to give the answers and he was given the permission to do so.

The Roman addressed the young Muslim and repeated his first question, “What was there before Allah?”

The boy asked, “Do you know how to count?” “Yes,” said the man. “Then count down from ten!” So the Roman counted down, “ten, nine, eight, …” until he reached “one” and he stopped counting. “But what comes before 'one'?” asked the boy. “There is nothing before one- that is it!” said the man. “Well then, if there obviously is nothing before the arithmetic 'one', then how do you expect that there should be anything before the 'One' who is Absolute truth, All-Eternal, Everlasting the First, the Last, the Manifest, the Hidden?” Now the man was surprised by this direct answer which he could not dispute. So he asked, “Then tell me, in which direction is Allah facing?”

“Bring a candle and light it,” said the boy, “and tell me in which direction the flame is facing.” “But the flame is just light- it spreads in each of the four directions, North, South, East and West. It does not face any one direction only,” said the man in wonderment. The boy cried, “Then if this physical light spreads in all four directions such that you cannot tell me which way it faces, then what do you expect of the Nur-us-Samawati-wal-'Ard: Allah – the Light of the Heavens and the Earth!? Light upon Light, Allah faces all directions at all times.” The Roman was stupefied and astounded that here was a young child answering his challenges in such a way that he could not argue against the proofs. So, he desperately wanted to try his final question.

But before doing so, the boy said, “Wait! You are the one who is asking the questions and I am the one who is giving the answers to these challenges. It is only fair that you should come down to where I am standing and that I should go up where you are right now, in order that the answers may be heard as clearly as the questions. “This seemed reasonable to the Roman, so he came down from where he was standing and the boy ascended the platform. Then the man repeated his final challenge, “Tell me, what is Allah doing at this moment?” The boy proudly answered, “At this moment, when Allah found upon this high platform a liar and mocker of Islam, He caused him to descend and brought him low. And as for the one who believed in the Oneness of Allah, He raised him up and established the Truth. Every day He exercises (universal) power (Sura

Aw hun … hope you're okay? *hug hug* I was just wondering…what your answer to that qusetion would be… So, as of this point, you do -mind- if your husband has more that you to call his wife? What makes the change? I guess…you gettting older would bring along more understanding? Correct me if Im wrong. As for the women outnumbering the men, yes I have heard this – just to clarify – this is the only reason why Allah made it like this – for one man to have more than one wife?

But why on earth do men 'abuse' the privilege? Are they aware of this abuse? I mean, do they do it thinking that Allah said its okay, or do they know that it is not applicable to society today, but still steal the opportunity just because they know they can back it up with some right?

Well, I guess when I'm married, and I experience the feeling, then it'll be harder to accept when my husband wants to remarry. I don't have a clear picture at the moment. It's a natural thing for every woman to disapprove. When you love a guy, you obviously want him all to yourself.

No, that's not the only reason. There are other reasons too. Before Islam came, for example, men were allowed to marry as many women as they liked. They followed no rules, thus they didn't even have to look after them and support them. So Islam came to limit the number and set the laws and conditions.

Well see, of course women don't like it, but if the guy is willing to be fair, then i dont think it's unjust. And there are many children who live a happy life having a 'mom # 2'. As long as their daddy is not being a jerk and is treating them all equally.

There was a point where my dad spoke about getting married. lol. And just after we heard him say that, my siblings and I started planning how to 'jump' the new wife, how we're gonna beat her up and make her regret the day she agreed to marry our dad. lmbo. But he was just joking. um, I don't feel it's alright, but you never know, everything happens for the best!

I thought that you wouldnt feel alright about it. And then I thought about how many offspring are like you, in the same position, with the same feeling. There surely must be a great majority of those who opposes this 'marrying as many times as you can, provided you will treat all equally' thing. Apart from the siblings feeling this way, what about the wife/mom? How do you think she would feel? Dont you think all the other wives feel exactly the same as your mom feel about your dad marrying again?

Hey, Im sorry if im sounding rude….its just that I just got upset when I heard about that 40 year old man going to another country to marry at 16 year old girl, get her pregnant, leave her to come back to USA to his other wife …. and justify it …. saying it is for Allah.

Then again, Ishouldnt get upset,its really none of my business and I've realized this world holds so many things that my mind can not bear to take or understand.

But, I just wanted to hear it from your point of view(and the other forum members) hoping that I will recieve some sort of beneficial insight.

religious practices aside, have said this before will repeat:

I am 150% against such acts…ie having more than one partner in life…

Its just my personal belief and one I will stand by…until I cease to exist…

committing oneself to someone in matrimony, in the presence of God isnt just an exchange of rings and false vows, its the bonding of two hearts, two minds, two bodies into one soul ..

I am bludy seriously passionate when it comes to marriage and love…Yes I agree, love has many faces, theres different depths of feeling this inexplainable feeling, yet when u are commiting to another, vowing and combining yourself with another in the name of marriage…there is and only should be 1 man and 1 woman involved…otherwise just remain single…

Having more than one partner in marriage is adultery, whether u are legally married or not..thats just my take on it..I will NOT share my husband, the father of my children, my partner, my friend, my soulmate, with another woman like that in that way..I just wont….

I cannot think of my husband having to share his time, his feelings, his bed with other women???in the name of marriage??? FOR CRYINGOUT LOUD, I would rather commit to a convent and spend the rest of my life serving God ….than opt for love and then having to feel like part of a damn pie….that he can choose to eat or not…when ever he wishes to…

Friends..thats another thing all together, I wont expect my partner to stop me from retaining all my male friends and I certainly wont want him to stop remaining friends with his female counterparts….its whole new story when he happens to want to marry a few other women along with me….

just my belief….

do what u want with it….

I'm sorry, not wanting to share your husband is one thing, but calling something that Islam has made permissible 'adultry', is not right. To be quite honest, it ticked me off. Especially knowing that one of the reasons Islam allows polygyny is to lessen the rate of cheating and adultry in the world. So when I hear ladies in the west saying things like “i would never accept that my husband gets married to someone else” it just makes me think to myself… sometimes they are forced to accept being cheated on, but when it comes to their husbands getting married and doing it lawfully, they object. It doesn't make sense to me.

In the name of Allah, The Merciful, The Very Merciful…

In response to having more then one wife.

In America alone today, on average there are 9 million more women then there are men in the country. If every man could get married to every woman, there would still be a large group of women who could not marry. Similarly in the UK, there are 4 to 6 million more women then there are men.

This instantly causes a problem in society. Why? Because there are women out there who really desire to marry and have children etc.. Now Allah says in the Qur'an,

“O you who believe, marry women in there two's and three's and four's but if you cannot do justice between them, then marry only one.” Surah Nisa

The Qur'an is the only book on the face of the planet which has the statement “Marry only one.” There is no other scripture which propagates this idea.

What Islam is saying is 'yes, marry women in there two's, three's and four's ONLY if you can provide for them all, maintain them all and treat them all equally'. It is not saying give 1 more preference then the other(s) and only go to them when you wish to satisfy your desires. This order of Allah is a remedy for the society we see around us, we see so many single parent struggling, so many women who are left unmarried or widows and nobody wishes to marry them… this is soo sad and upsetting. Islam encourages marrying the poor and less fortunate, so that they may also enjoy this great bond of love.

However, today we live in a society of complete hypocrisy and media percieved ideologies. You say “yes” to having mistresses and fun with multiple girlfriends but you reject Islam when it is saying, “Marry women but deal justly with them, give them rights, protect them and clothe them with love.” In relationships outside of marriage we find children who have no fixed father but Islam is saying, “Maintain a family and a house of love.”

And without doubt there is a type of woman who does not mind sharing her husband and there is definitley a man out there who does not mind taking on an extra responsibility. Do not be bought into all of these media perceptions of Islam, there is nothing in this beautiful religion which goes against the essence of humanity as a whole.

A few words of the Final Prophet, Muhammad (May peace and blessings always be upon him)

He told the Muslims: “Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife, if he is displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good.” And:“The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is.”

This is what Islam preaches…

Slave of the One Who Is Free From All Defects.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, I love Islam! *heart melts* lol.

Salla Allahu A'laihi wasallam! Ya habeebi, Ya Rasulallah!

Tabz – This was perfect.

P.S. I've heard this before, but I wasn't sure if it was authentic. However a Christian friend just told me that polygamy is allowed in Christianity- even in the New Testament! I don't know the rules or conditions, but she told me that it's allowed. It's not encouraged because a “person is supposed to stay single and have time for God's work…”

But yeah, just thought I might mention that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktbu5jqEd5M&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gVmkMZFBbus

http://youtube.com/watch?v=67u9O8ESyAQ&feature=related

Subhana'Allah this is beautiful!

Hun, she said aside from any relgious beliefs … she's just sharing her take on it.

I dont understsand this though, you're speaking as if the male brain is hard wired to be with other women or something … that even if a man marries one woman, somehow he will end up being with two or more.

I mean no offense in any shape or form. I just wanted/needed to be informed. I dont mean to upset/hurt anyone here and if I did, Im sorry [Im just doing this for knowledge].

Quote Unique Princess:

“O you who believe, marry women in there two's and three's and four's but if you cannot do justice between them, then marry only one.” Surah Nisa

The Qur'an is the only book on the face of the planet which has the statement “Marry only one.” There is no other scripture which propagates this idea. Of course there are other scriptures that encourages this, in fact, the other scriptures talk about the sin of 'being with others' while being married.

What Islam is saying is 'yes, marry women in there two's, three's and four's ONLY if you can provide for them all, maintain them all and treat them all equally'. Question : Do you think many men out there are fit or able to marry many women and provide equally for them? Giving the same-equal amount of basically everything he has [including himself]?

And without doubt there is a type of woman who does not mind sharing her husband and there is definitley a man out there who does not mind taking on an extra responsibility. Well if both[all] parties agree,then I guess it will work … just had to know the undertones of these actions

A few words of the Final Prophet, Muhammad (May peace and blessings always be upon him)

He told the Muslims: “Fear Allah in respect of women.” And: “The best of you are they who behave best to their wives.” And: “A Muslim must not hate his wife, if he is displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good.” And:“The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is.”

I have a question : I really doubt this, especially since you just quoted the above but… Is it alright for a muslim man to abuse[beat] his wife if she does something he doesnt like?

Beautiful piece indeed. Just note that Im not saying anything agaisnt Islam. I would never do that! I told you of my belief already, all Gods) are the same. But, I just wanted to know some of the beliefs that are in your religion. The question wasnt directed to Islam being beautiful or not. It was about one part in Islam which deals with it being okay for men to marry many women. [Soo, no offense intended]

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Very Merciful.

You have made some very good points and asked many good questions, here is my reply:

Of course there are other scriptures that encourages this, in fact, the other scriptures talk about the sin of 'being with others' while being married.

this is incorrect, as if you look in to the bible for example, there are chapters which show that Abraham committed incest with his own daughters in the cave of a mountain. that they made him drunk and then bore his children. likewise we find in another chapter that solomon had 99 wives. then in another chapter we find that prostitution is found.

Question : Do you think many men out there are fit or able to marry many women and provide equally for them? Giving the same-equal amount of basically everything he has [including himself]?

Of course there is, however do not forget that it is a stipulation and condition of marriage that the man can only marry a second time if he has enough wealth. there is a type of man who is God-fearing but society as it is portrays all men to be pigs. this is not the case, there are lots of good men who can maintain a wife.

lastly u mentioned, I have a question : I really doubt this, especially since you just quoted the above but… Is it alright for a muslim man to abuse[beat] his wife if she does something he doesnt like?

No, it is completely wrong for a man to beat his wife, it is the perfection of faith to be kind to ones wife. Infact, the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) rebuked those who did hit their wives

i have above mentioned somethings about Christianity. No offence has been intended, rather a just comparative analysis on scriptures. Forgive me if i have created any bitter feelings as it was not my intention.

Slave of the One who is Free From All Defects

Just wanted to correct some things here…

if you look in to the bible for example, there are chapters which show that Abraham committed incest with his own daughters in the cave of a mountain. that they made him drunk and then bore his children. likewise we find in another chapter that solomon had 99 wives. then in another chapter we find that prostitution is found.

This is incorrect. This happend to his cousin/nephew Lot. Upon fleeing Sodom, his wife was turned into a pillar of salt. The daughters' husbands would not flee and were destroyed. They asked their father to 'help' them. He refused because it was unthinkable to him. They then got him drunk.

Solomon (son of King David) had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

I'm not sure what is being argued here ladies.

What it comes down to is the intent of the man and the agreement of the woman/women! Who among us has the ability to read minds?

The thing about religion is that it's followers are imperfect humans. What one's holy book may read is not always followed, even by the most well wishing of individuals. Most religions have sects, divisions, misinterpretations (intentional and unintentional)!

Ultimately God Himself will decide and that is where our faith & works will speak for themselves.

Yes yes, I know I know Ness … it really does boil down to the parties who must commit. I mean, they are the ones who are putting themselves into something … so obviously they must be ready/wanting/accepting it.

I just wanted to understand it from another point of view though. I really hope that my topic hasnt offended anyone, because I have no intention of offending anyone. I realize this is a sensitive topic … and if anyone wants it to be closed … dont be afraid to tell me.

Yes yes, I know I know Ness … it really does boil down to the parties who must commit. I mean, they are the ones who are putting themselves into something … so obviously they must be ready/wanting/accepting it.

I just wanted to understand it from another point of view though. I really hope that my topic hasnt offended anyone, because I have no intention of offending anyone. I realize this is a sensitive topic … and if anyone wants it to be closed … dont be afraid to tell me.

Not to sound short Kava Daba, but you have several differing points of view in this thread of 16 pgs.. If you don't understand it by now, then chances are, you won't. *shrugs*

It's what Catholics call 'a mystery' as they look up at the ceiling. lmbo

all i have to say is that i am up for extra partner in the marriage. he can always bring another men in to our marriage. i won't mind.

WHAT?! … oooooooook.

So, as long as he gives you the permission to bring another man in your marriage, then you don't mind?

What if your husband refuses, but wants another lady in the marriage?

Ninja, that's just Marine being…well errrr…Marine! lmbo

Pay no mind!

Not to sound short Kava Daba, but you have several differing points of view in this thread of 16 pgs.. If you don't understand it by now, then chances are, you won't. *shrugs* Oh well. I guess I won't then.

And, what do you mean by I have several differing points of view in this thread? I've asked questions about Islam, in this thread. And everyone has contributed their beliefs and views and points of views within the same 16 pages.

It's what Catholics call 'a mystery' as they look up at the ceiling. lmbo

Anyway, I started this topic and Im ending it now.

Thank you to those who addressed my questions.

Yemz darling the whole thing was a joke but i like Kavitas point of view.

Let me just say I'm not religious but i love all religion and most of my friend are Muslim so i think it's interesting.

but then when i become president i will make so that the women have multiple husbands lmao it will be more fun like that hahahahaha

Anyway, I started this topic and Im ending it now.

Thank you to those who addressed my questions.

I sense anger/discomfort where none was needed. So, I'll explain further…

When I said 'you have', my actual meaning was 'there are'. As in, “There are/you have several differeing points of view…blah, blah, blah…” Not 'YOU' as in 'You, Kavita have differeing opinions…' I hope that clears my statement up for you.

My reply wasn't to insult you or your intelligence. It was to say that there are 16 pages of information and another thread. Facts & opinion have been shared. Verses from holy books have been quoted. It was all submitted with the goal of helping with our understanding. So then, if you aren't understanding it, chances are it is something that will remain a mystery to you. That was my meaning Kavita.

Exactly. Why can't wealthy, rich, well off women marry a couple of 'men in need' ? I know the answer would be that women already outnumber the men. But – cant the wealthy rich women care for and take care of a couple of women[or men] in need? And more so, let wealthy rich men, take care of and provide for a couple of women[or men] in need. Do you have to get married to them? Open a house for the less fortunate, give charity, invest money, supervise them, create an environment of helping, sharing, loving. That would work equally well.

I've searched for well over an hour and my eyes (and head) are killing me!! I can't find the previously posted answer to this. It may have even been in another (A Thought) thread. Yet, if I remember correctly, it had something to do with paternity of the children. Am I correct Ninjitsu? No need to go into it if you don't wish, but I wanted to be sure that it was stated before!

I accept all religions, I believe all of the Gods are 1, just in different forms.

It just hurts so much to see people fighting and wasting their energy over diferences in relgion. I just wish everyone would accept each others religions, and engage in conversations of sharing, understanding, and expanding of the knowlege they have.

Anyway, since when you are running for president lol … yeah, i'll see the day when Marine becomes president … come to think of it, u can hook me up with almost anything i want!! lol – become president fast!

Lmao – I really am a tubelight!! lol … nah, no anger/discomfort Ness!

I was just saying… I guess I got enough of the information I needed … and its a sensitive topic and I understand soooo …

Even before you said that, I had plan to ease it off with any questions

I've searched for well over an hour and my eyes (and head) are killing me!! I can't find the previously posted answer to this. It may have even been in another (A Thought) thread. Yet, if I remember correctly, it had something to do with paternity of the children. Am I correct Ninjitsu? No need to go into it if you don't wish, but I wanted to be sure that it was stated before!

Lol, sorry to having you running around like that!! Yes, I posted it yesterday, but then I came back and deleted it because, like I said, I really was planning to ease off the questions and I figured I should start that..so came back and deleted it.

Wait, how do you have it though??! You kept it… ? some how?

lmbo…the magic of the internet.

No harm, no foul!

Lol – I just thought no one saw it!!!!!!! You got me! lol

I remember we discussed the marriage thing in one of the threads. I believe it was the Rani thread, but I don't remember if we answered kavita's question… I think we did, though.

p.s. I posted three youtube links. Kavita you should check them out, because the guy explains it in a laid back way. We've discussed this so many times on here, and I think you have an idea in your head that polygamy is a bad thing. From what you have seen and what Am Rani said as well. So, to get the full idea, I think you should check out the links, if you wish & if you have the time.

Kavita – check this thread https://www.bollywoodlyrics.com/cs/forums/t/1967.aspx?PageIndex=13

I think that's where it began, if not, you can always go back a few pages. I'm sorry, i couldn't do it for you myself, I have a banging headache.

Shut it, Firestarter!

Quote:

I got nothing to shut. And that is how it's done. Idiot.

Careful with that tongue puppy! Would be 'idiotic' for it to be ripped out!

Whatever Rani. Move it/delete it/do whatever, should it please you.

Subhana'Allah this is beautiful, Rani. It made me so teary…

'He is under water diving, it's his work … he can't leave his job undone…but he can't lose the fajr….so he prayed underwater'

SubhanAllah !!!…Allah has given us the whole world as a place worship, so we can perform our salah! but y do we make silly excuses n miss our prayers?

My teacher from masjid forwarded this to me…

I think this hadeeth is so beautiful….

“Allah the Almighty said:

‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as it.’” – Tirmidhi

SubhanaAllah…. it fills me with so so so much hope… I wanna cry. May Allah forgive us all… ameen. thumma ameen.

Asalamualaykum!

whaaaasuppp Im new to this forum so you better recognizee, hhahaha I thought this was a very interesting post, so many facts, and not a lot of room for doubts, But sometimes you cant just believe everything you read, even if it has cool pictures, not to mension outstanding formating hahaha, at least thats what hapened to me, I recieved all the proofs scientific facts and pictures and the whole thing, but me being an aitheist (at that time) couldnt really believe…

What did it to me was the pesonal sign that Allah gave to me, I think Boo should just talk to Allah and ask for some type of sign too. Allah may just give one to her, I mean, he already gave one to her( this SUPER AWSOME THREAD!!!! with cool pictures and all!!!!!lol) but I think boo just like myself needs to get some type of personal reasurance. So just talk to the big guy pesonally Boo!!! cut the middle man you know?? hahahaha

Orrr you can just look at this freaking post!!!! ahaha jk! Im getting all bossy now

Just dont stess and have fun with it you know? talk to Allah hell answeer! GO TO THE LIGHT!!!!

FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DONT KNOW ME IM CRAZY LIKE THAT OK SO DONT MIND ME LOL!

I hope you embrace islam just like I did. Great Post! and Ill read you people soon!!!

The HobecK

wslmz…

Welcome to the forum…

good to see ur blessed to have found Allah

wat da heck does yr nick mean?? sounds like hobo?? just asking..

ciao

sori i didnt mean hobo, i meant hobe, like a globe.. Sorta

I think all the beliefs represent the same thing. We can believe in whichever God we chose, they're all the same.

We just need to accept everyone and their beliefs

Then we can finally live in peace

It is really very intresting………………..

I like Rani & Shahrukh very much……………..

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It is really very intresting………………..

I like Rani & Shahrukh very much……………..

ohh yeaaahhh…its extremely interesting alrite! what wud be more interesting is that u join the other new member in the asylum

u like rani and shah rukh? who cares!

My practising Muslim friend told me that music is forbidden in some 'sects' of Islam – could anyone explain/elaborate?

He said something about it disrupting the soul or something. I cannot remember very much, cos it confused me and I just glanced over what he'd written. lol

Thank you

What about qawwalis and Sufi music – music that involves the praise of Allah and is seen as a 'Muslim thing', if I'm making sense?

Oh, by the way Rani – my friend sent me this Arabic song about the praise of the prophet Mohammed (he said I'd love it for the poetry of it… lol), which I think you'll like (from the translation, it looks beautiful) – remind me to send it to you.

Hi Hobeck, welcome to the forum! You are fortunate to have found security in faith.

Rani, I listened to some of these songs. The singer in the first few songs … he's good.

I listened to 'Your Mother', my goodness, it is really beautiful. Its these type of songs that would make you tear up … Its really very sweet.

I learned something from Boo's question. Is the Daf a drum or string instrument? So, in all religious songs, only this one instrument is allowed? Is this the only type of songs Muslims are supposed to listen to ? Or can Muslims listen to any type of songs but when worshipping they can only sing and listen to songs without instruments with exception to the Daf?

I agree: No matter which name you choose, there IS only ONE God.

Muslims do not use the word “God” because you can add to it and change it and make it something it isn't.

God – alone, it is masculine – God is neither male or female
Gods – This is plural. there is no such thing as godS, there is only ONE God.
Goddess – This is feminine – God is neither male or female.
Godparents (Godmother/Godfather) – What does that even mean? People make up the strangest things!
Godchildren (Goddaughter/Godson) – What does that even mean? People make up the strangest things!

And there are probably more additions that I don't know of or can't remember right now.

Muslims use “Allah” because it is so unique. It cannot be changed, it cannot be made plural, you cannot add to it, it is neither masculine nor feminine and nor can it be MADE feminine or masculine.

We can accept that everyone is not going to believe in our beliefs, but there is nothing wrong in giving people the proofs they asked for, that's all I'm doing Kavita.

Lol, Rani, you made me chuckle by reading this (the last part).

It is never wrong to share proofs and evidence to people to make them believe.

Believing and having faith in our lives can turn our whole world around. And the thing is, sometimes there is basically no real proof and evidence, but many of us, a large part of the world, believe that there is a God. We're made to be like that. Think of how much people out there believe in God, yet they have seen no 'real evidence/proof'.

If an informed person has found some evidence/proof, then it will only help us all to believe even more. And the powerful thing is, sometimes people dont even believe the 'evidences/proofs' and they may even take them to be fakes or coincidences, and yet these people still believe in God and know that He exists. Dont you think that's amazing?

I agree with you, 'Allah' is unique. 'Jehova' is also unique. I dont know much about Jehova witnesses, but the place where I grew up, there were many of them there.

There is only one God. Whichever faith you are following, ultimately there is one God, one Supreme being. Surely, if God has created this universe, He is in everything. His form is many. Dont you think he is in everything? The trees, the rivers, the waters, in females, in males, in animals ? We are all made by Him.

I guess what I was trying to say earlier is that I wish we can all just accept each other. No one has to change their beliefs. That makes absolutely no sense, because God is one. I j

kavita_0026:

hi sister. all gods cant be one. god is only one. if there were more than one god then there must have been a disruption in this entire universe. may god show u his light.

regards

rizwan sohail