[Kokamal]

That was a foul indeed! Thanks purnima.

caand aahen bharega, phool dil thaam lenge

husn kee baat calee to, sab tera naam lenge

caand aahen bharega

eisaa cehraa hei teraa, jeise raushan savera

jis jagah too naheen hei, us jagah hei andhera

keise phir cein tujh bin, tere badnaam lenge

husn kee baat calee to, sab tera naam lenge

caand aahen bharega

aankhen naazuk see kaliyaan, baat misree kee Daliyaan

honTH ganga ke saahil, zulfen jannat kee galiyaan

teree khaatir farishte, sar pe ilzaam lenge

husn kee baat calee, to sab tera naam lenge

caand aahen bharega

cup na hogee havaa bhee, kuch kahegee ghaTa bhee

aur mumkin hei tera, zikr karde khuda bhee

phir to pattha hee shaayad, zabt se kaam lenge

husn kee baat calee to sab tera naam lenge

caand aahen bharega, phool dil thaam lenge

husn kee baat calee to, sab tera naam lenge

caand aahen bharega

[Film:Phool bane angaare — Mala Sinha & Raj Kumar]

[Singer: Mukesh]

[Kokamal]

you say “just because humans created a rule doesnt mean its entirely true. thats
when we, as individuals should use the brain that GOD has given us and
start to think on our own, instead of accepting everything that was
taught to us blindly.”

Nothing new in your post just assertions and more assertions — without substantiating any of them.

What is the “super human” source of the above information — that GOD has given us brain? Who follows blindly?

A believer girl claimed that the “GOD” in her heart told her to marry her father. The poor father, though a believer himself, was at wits' end as were the scholars of that religion at this revelation! Shouldn't the girl marry her father because her “GOD” commanded her to?

[Kokamal]

ye teree saadagee, ye teraa baankpan [2]

jaan-e-bahaar jaan-e-caman [2]

taubaa shikan [3]

ye teree saadagee, ye teraa baankpan

ye teree

'r'

[Film: Shabnam]

[Singer: Rafee]

[Kokamal]

Yes, I know the wind and never claimed to “see” it. Where did I say to establish existance by seeing?

You have not answered the question in my post!

Many existents are not sensed through like most gases, forms of energy and particles. But, their existance is verifiable, controllable and measurable — that includes the wind as well!

The link in the post takes one to the fantasy world of faiths which presumes GOD before establishing GOD as an existent! Are you willing to discuss the “science in Quran” — or for that matter any religious text?

There is another deception in the contention of the msgs — and that is to use knowledge to “prove” a presumption! That's a funny argument. Believe because existance can't be proved!

[Kokamal]

To SELF: purnima posted this song a while ago! May be there are too many antaaksharees going on at the same time! Participants are going in circles — kinda vicious!

[Kokamal]

dhaDakate dil kee tamanna ho, mera pyaar ho tum

mujhe karaar naheen, jab se bekaraar ho tum

dhaDkate dil kee…

khilavo phool kisee ke, kisee caman mein raho

jo dil kee raah se guzree hei, vo bahaar ho tum

dhaDkate dil kee…

zah-e-naseeb ataa kee jo dard kee saugaat

vo gam haseen hei, jis gam ke jimmedaar ho tum

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[Kokamal]

o meree zohraa jabeen

too abhee tak hei hanseen

aur main javaan

tujh pe qurbaan meri jaan meree jaan

next : n

[Kokamal]

o meree zohraa jabeen

too abhee tak hei hanseen

aur main javaan

tujh pe qurbaan meri jaan meree jaan

next : n

[Kokamal]

Either one believes or one knows — both assertions can't be valid and incidental at the same time without cancelling out each other [pl give an example of such an incidence, if it exists].

For example, all existents can be described and the description verified. While belief has no limitation, the knowledge has its limitations. One may believe 2 + 2 make 5 or whatever one likes to believe; but, it is the knowledge of arithmatics that tells 2+2 make a 4!

“God, love, people…” in the above post are a concept, a feeling and humans, respectively.

A concept has to be established and also be verifiable by the system of knowledge to be accepted as an existent. Love as a feeling and people as humans [homo sapiens] are existent as they are verifiable — the “God” isn't. “God” as concept has as many versions as the number of believers in the “God”. Beliefs are endemic knowledge is universal.

Can lack of evidence of existance be taken as a valid reason for believing in the existance of the “thing” being believed to exist?

[Kokamal]

raaj-e-dil yoon unhe sunaaya gayaa

aankh hee ko zubaan banaaya gayaa

raaj-e-dil yoon unhe sunaaya gayaa

laakh toofaan sameT kar yaarab

tab kaheen ek dil banaaya gayaa

raaj-e-dil yoon unhe sunaaya gayaa

’y’

[Film: Jahaan Aaraa]

Lata

[Kokamal]

kaheen jo saani-e-soorat, tujhe dil bhee milaa hotaa

to phir teraa muqaabil, gar koee hotaa khuda hotaa

tujhe ahsaas ho jaata, mire haal-e-pareeshan ka

agar insaan koee teree bhee majbooree hua ho taa

-Ashok Garg

[Kokamal]

raftaa-raftaa vo hamaaree, taskeen ka saamaan ho gaye

pahle jaan, phir jaan-e-jaan, phir jaan-e-jaanaa ho gaye

raftaa-raftaa vo hamaaree

'r'

[Kokamal]

raat ka samaan jhoome candrma

dil moraa naace re jeise bijuria

raat ka samaan

'm'

yes m and not n

[Kokamal]

mere dil se pooch main kya caahta hoon

tere pyaar kee inteha caahta hoon

koee pal ka mehmaan hoon ay ahl-e-mehfil

caraag-e-sahr hoon bujhaa caahtaa hoon

bharee bazm mein raaz kee baat kah dee

baDa be-adab hoon, sazaa caahta hoon

[Can't recall poet, perhaps Jigar “moradaabaadee”]

[sorry and thanks, purnima. Iqbal will be confined where he belongs to!]

[Kokamal]

kah do koee na kare yahaan pyaar

is mein qhushiyaan hein kam

beshumaar hein gam

ek hansee aur aansoo hazaar

kah do koee na kare yahaan pyaar

'r'

[with thanks to mamatha for the information]

[Kokamal]

Belief shows lack of knowledge!

One believes what one doesn't know.

But, once, one knows one doesn't believe.

[Kokamal]

God can't exist

as

there is no reason to

for the God to exist

God is a failed concept!

[Kokamal]

[Can't recall your song mamatha.. how old is it? sorry, but never heard of it!]

DamDam DeegaDeega [2]

bin piye main to gira, main to giraa, haay allah

soorat aapkee sub-hanallah, haay allah

soorat aapkee sub-hanallah

'h'

[Kokamal]

jaan-e-bahaar, husn tera bemisaal hei

wallah kamaal hei, are wallah kamaal hei

jaan-e-bahaar, husn tera…

aayi hei mere paas too, is aanbaan se

utree ho jeise koee paree, aasmaan se

main kya kahoon khushee se, ajab mera haal hei

jaan-e-bahaar husn tera…

haaye ye teree mast adaayen ye baankpan

kirNo ko bhee main, choone na doonga tera badan

tujhse nazar milaaye, ye kiski majaal hei

jaan-e-bahaar husn…

main khushnaseeb hoon, ke tujhe maine paa liya

toone karam kiya, mujhe apna bana liya

aise mile hein ham, ke bichaDna muhaal hei

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[Kokamal]

You're right about that. The nazm denounces the bhautik-vaad of the west. Personally, I favor bhautikvaad.

There are a few things about Iqbal that might be of interest to you and other members of this forum.

1. Iqbal was a nationalist that's when he wrote some of the masterpieces of his work like tarana-e-Hind and other poems. Three couplets from his nazm [perhaps called “Bharati”] are produced below which I like most.

2. Iqbal turned a pan-Islamist and modified Tarana-e-Hind to read turn it into a song of muslims. E.g. the line “Hindi hein hamwatan hein, Hindostan hamaara” became “Muslim hein hamwatan hein, sara jahan hamaara”.

3. Iqbal wrote in Faarsee too. His articles and poems in Faarsee, about Islam and muslims only, are part of syllabus in Iran even today. Interestingly, he is called Iqbal “Lahuri” in Iran.

4. Iqbal suggested the name Pakistan to the part of British India that went to muslims; and,

5. Before his death, Iqbal rued, “Writing Taran-e-Hind was the worst thing I did in my life” [or words to that effect].

sham-e-mehfil ho ke too jab soz se qhaalee rahaa

tere parvaane bhee is lazzat se begaane rahe

[sham-e-mehfil= object of interest/attention.

soz = passion]

rishta-e-ulfat mein jab in ko piro sakta tha too

phir pareshan kyoon teri tasbeeh ke daane rahe

[rishta-e-ulfat = bond of attachment/affection

Tasbeeh ke daane = jap-maalaa ke daane, the beads of Rosary]

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